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251 Found this on LDS:

Alfred KNIGHTON
Sex: M

Event(s):
Christening: 9 Jan 1840
Pinxton, Derby, England

Parents:
Father: Robert KNIGHTON
Mother: Georgiana

Source Information:
Batch number: Dates Source Call No. Type Printout Call No. Type
C059681 1773-1812 0428933 Film 6900889 Film
C059681 1813-1868 0498115 Film NONE
Sheet:
Census 1881:Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 3325 / 36 Page Number 11
Dwelling Shipley Road Cottage
Census Place Shipley, Derby, England
Family History Library Film 1341793
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Fredk. KNIGHTON Head M Male 55 Ilkeston, Derby, England Painter & Plumber
Emma KNIGHTON Wife M Female 52 Ilkeston, Derby, England
Josh. KNIGHTON Son U Male 24 Ilkeston, Derby, England Coal Miner
Douglas KNIGHTON Son U Male 20 Ilkeston, Derby, England Coal Miner
Hannah KNIGHTON Daugr U Female 14 Ilkeston, Derby, England Scholar
Matilda KNIGHTON Daugr U Female 9 Ilkeston, Derby, England Scholar


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Source Information:
Dwelling Shipley Road Cottage
Census Place Shipley, Derby, England
Family History Library Film 1341793
 
KNIGHTON Alfred
 
252
1881 Census: PRO Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 3333 / 59 Page Number 53
Census Place Bulwell, Nottingham, England
Dwelling: 40 Newcastle St
Family History Library Film 1341795
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Alfred LANE Head M Male 52 Bulwell, Nottingham, England Labourer
Sarah LANE Wife M Female 50 Bulwell, Nottingham, England
William LANE Son U Male 27 Bulwell, Nottingham, England Coal Miner
Jane LANE Daur U Female 24 Bulwell, Nottingham, England Lace Mender
Mary LANE Daur U Female 22 Bulwell, Nottingham, England Lace Mender
Samuel LANE Son U Male 20 Bulwell, Nottingham, England Lace Dresser
Emma LANE Daur U Female 14 Bulwell, Nottingham, England Lace Mender
Selena LANE Daur Female 11 Bulwell, Nottingham, England

1901 Census: RG 3191 folio: 44
William Lane Lane William Male 47 1854 Colliery Banksman Notts Nottingham
Alfred Lane Lane Alfred Male 75 1826 Hawker Orange Nut Etc Notts Nottingham 
LANE Alfred
 
253 Place Abbrev.Place MFIRSTNAME MSURNAME FSURNAME FFIRSTNAME DATE
BULWELL St Mary Samuel LANE WARD Martha Ann 07/11/1886

1891 Census: 2673 folio: 43
Samuel Lane Head M Male 30 Bulwell, Nottingham Engine Driver
Martha Wife M Fem 25 Oxton, Notts
Lavina Daur 2 Bulwell, Nottingham
Wilfred Son 2 Mths do do

1901 Census: RG 3190 folio:169 Nottingham
Samuel Lane Lane Samuel Male 40 1861 Coal Miner Hewer Notts Nottm Bulwell
Martha Lane Lane Martha Female 35 1866 Notts Oxton
Lavinia Lane Lane Lavinia Female 12 1889 Notts Nottm Bulwell
Wilfred Lane Lane Wilfred Male 10 1891 Notts Nottm Bulwell
William Lane Lane William Male 4 1897 Notts Nottm Bulwell
Evelyn Lane Lane Evelyn Female 3M 1901 Notts Nottm Bulwell 
LANE Samuel
 
254 There is a Sarah Lane Died 19 April 1868 aged 16 - Couls this be Sarah - See Database LANE Sarah
 
255 May have been a professional footballer - played for Nottm Forest, County or Mansfield?? LANE Stan
 
256 1901 Census: RG 3191 folio: 44
William Lane Lane William Male 47 1854 Colliery Banksman Notts Nottingham
Alfred Lane Lane Alfred Male 75 1826 Hawker Orange Nut Etc Notts Nottingham 
LANE William
 
257 [Hallam 18 Jan 02.GED]

Married twice and lived with Daisy Crisp.
From Marriage Certificate (when marrying Van Der Heyden):
Aged 30 Years. WIfe (Van der Heyden) 35 Years old. From Malines, Belgium.
Formerley husband of Annie Lane formerley Freeman - obtained a divorce.
Stated he was an Artificial Silk Spinner. Witnesses; I.J.Lane ?? M.B.Woodward
Served in WW2 - Royal Marines.
Lived at:
19, Ragdale Road, Bulwell. Nottm.
9, Newmarket Road, Bulwell, Nottm.
Was a school caretaker - William Crane

Have a peice of paper, believe from Bulwell cemetery, as follows:
Winifred Lane (deed holder)
P/A 2nd March 1981.

William Louis Lane (51 years)
Martha Ann Lane
M21.50 ***(Burial Site??) 
LANE William George
 
258 Free BMD:
Births Jun 1897 Lane William Lewis Basford 7b 224

had died before William (Bill) married in 1950. Poss 1948.
was a Foreman - Hosiery Trimmer.

Bulwell Cemetary
M21. 50
Winifred Lane - 2 March 1981 - Deed Holder
William Lewis Lane - 51 years
Martha Ann Lane 
LANE William Lewis
 
259 [Hollingg.ged]

From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996. 
LAW Emily
 
260 [Hollingg.ged]

From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996. 
LAW Emily
 
261 [Hallam 18 Jan 02.GED]

E 100 Grave has a Marble Headstone, kirb and vase. It reads In lovingmemory of George, beloved Husband of Hannah Simpson died Nov 28 1902, in her 53thyear. ( Morley ) Leabrooks. 
LEE Hannah
 
262 [Hollingg.ged]

From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996. 
LESSON Bridget
 
263 [Hollingg.ged]

From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996. 
LESSON Bridget
 
264 [Hollingg.ged]

From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996. 
LESSON Thomas
 
265 [Hollingg.ged]

From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996. 
LESSON Thomas
 
266 17 Mar 1879 Christ Church
Robert Linager 30 W Miner Hea John Linager (dec) Labourer
Hannah Hallam 21 S Shi John Hallam Under viewer
Wit: John Hallam Bethia Hallam
 
LINAGER Robert
 
267 You have asked the $64,000 question. You have the two Helens wrong. The Helen
that married [1] John le Scot and m[2] Robert de Quincey was the daughter of
Joan. The other Helen is not a proven daughter of Llywelyn at all.

You have assigned Gwladys to Joan instead of Tangwystl -- and I think that is
fair. It is 50/50 at best that you are right -- and with Joan's lands going
to Gwladys family and Gwladys dying at Windsor -- and the Mortimer genealogy
going through Joan to William the Conqueror in a 14th century manuscript
tradition, I would say the weight of the slim facts favor Joan over the Welsh
mistress. Since you have to enter a mother, I would keep it that way. I will
change my personal database from Tangwystl to Joan on the basis of this
discussion.

From: KHF333@aol.com

Llywelyn ap Iowerth, Prince of North Wales, and his lawful wife, Joan, had several legitimate children, among them being Ellen, wife successively of John of Scotland, Earl of Chester and Huntingdon, and Robert de Quincy, Knt. Ellen's place as a legitimate daughter of Joan is proven by an entry in Calendar of Close Rolls, 1234-1237 (1908), pp. 538-539, where Countess Ellen is styled "our niece" [nepte nostra] by Henry III, King of England.

Recently, however, I encountered further evidence which supports blood kinship between Countess Ellen and the English royal family. Ellen had two surviving daughters by her marriage to Robert de Quincy, one being Hawise de Quincy, wife of Baldwin Wake. The record below states specifically that Hawise de Quincy was of the "consanguinity" (bloodline) of King Edward I:

"Date: 18 Feb. 1282

Order [by King Edward I] to the sheriff of Lincoln to levy £100 from the goods late of Baldwin Wak, deceased, by view of Aubrey de Wintelbiry, and deliver the same to Hawise, late his wife, for the expenses of his burial, and to levy also £40 therefrom by view of the same Aubrey and deliver them to her by reason of her consanguinity."

[Calendar of Fine Rolls, 1 (1911): 159].

Hawise de Quincy, wife of Baldwin Wake, and King Edward I were first cousins first removed, they both being descendants of King John.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

E-mail: royalancestry@msn.com
copyright 
LLEWELYN Elen (Helen) Verch
 
268 As a youth he was slow and listless but grew into a courageous and ambitious leader who won Gwynedd and Powyss by battle in 1039 and defeated the Mercians. He contested with Gruffydd, son of Rhydderch ab Iestyn, over Deheubarth; but by 1055 he was the king of all Wales. About 1056 he married Ealdgyth, daughter of Aelfgar, Earl of Mercia, and they became the parents of three children.

There was a lengthy struggle with Harold Godwinson and, when Harold attacked his court at Rhuddlan through the treachery of his own men, Gruffydd ap Llywelyn was killed in 1063. His widow then married Harold Godwinson who, as King Harold II of England, in turn was killed in 1066 in the Battle of Hastings. 
LLEWELYN Gruffydd Ap
 
269 Llywelyn did not marry Joan until 1205 at the EARLIEST, or 1206, if you believe more detailed sources. Llywelyn did not receive the final (third) letter from the Pope declaring his betrothal to the daughter of
the King of Man to be void until 1205. Giving a year for conception and birth, if one assumed Gwladys were daughter of Joan, she could not have been born earlier than 1206 or 1207. If she were older than eight or nine years old in 1215, she could not have been daughter of Joan. As I stated before, the marriage to Reginald de Braose in 1215 was one of political expediency, and not one where the were waiting for the girl to come of age (so to speak). You'd be relying heavily on the coincidence that Gwladys happened to be in that very narrow range between seven (before which age she could not even have been betrothed) and eight, or nine. Then we have Joan's son and heir David being born BY 1208 (gave homage in 1229). If Joan were indeed married in 1206, and David born in 1208 (he cannot have been born later if the law was followed), that is an awfully tight squeeze to put Gwladys's coincidental birth there.

I still think the claim that Gwladys was daughter of Joan, and that she therefore MUST have been born in 1207--not before, not after--is doubtful.

"Paul C. Reed"

In answer to your question, there was a clear and unambigious statement that Gladys Dhu was the daughter of Llywelyn and Joan in the chronicle of Adam of Usk. Adam knew the Mortimer family and
presumably had access to their archives. While Adam is a late date witness and not altogether reliable, he is rather emphatic that Gladys was Joan's daughter.

As for another late date testimony of the Mortimer family's descent from Llywelyn, I find the Visitation of the North prepared c. 1480-1500 states that "Roger [recte Ralph] Mortemer duxit Gladiswiscam filiam principis Wallie." [Reference: Surtees Society, vol. 144, published 1930, pg. 3.

Presumably the point of reciting the extended Mortimer pedigree back to Prince Llywelyn is because the English descendants of the Mortimer family c. 1480-1500 believed that Gladys was the legitimate daughter of Prince Llywelyn, by his wife, Joan.

Adam of Usk and the Visitation of the North aside, I believe the best evidence of Gladys Dhu's parentage is the fact that Gladys' father, Llywelyn, released two castles which he had in free marriage with his wife, Joan, to Gladys' husband, Ralph de Mortimer. I posted a transcript of Llywelyn's charter to Ralph de Mortimer on the newsgroup. If you need help finding the transcript, please let me know.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
E-mail: royalancestry@msn.com

If I read this right are you saying that as there was an ongoing dispute with the Mortimers over Knighton and Norton, Llywelyn may have decided to cut his losses and give away the properties with Gwladys. The pragmatic value of such an act would have overridden the issue of her maternity. It is my understanding that legally Llywellyn could have given the properties away with the consent of Joan, anyway.

Also in 1229, Gwladys Dhu accompanied her brother as widow of Reginald de Braose for the purpose of negotiations in London for her to become bride of Ralph Mortimer? If this is the case, we cannot draw any conclusions about her maternity from this event.

Cheers

Rosie
"Rosie Bevan"

Two major pieces of evidence point to Joan as being Gladys' mother.

[GMacGen@aol.com] Giles tells us that Peter C. Bartrum's _Welsh Genealogies_ [table Gruffudd ap Cynan 4] gives the mother of Gwladys Ddu as Tangwystl. Here is what is shown in Peter C. Bartrum's Welsh Genealogies, page 446, Gruffudd ap Cynan 4:

Iorwerth Drwyndwn ab Owain Gwynedd
m Margred f. Madog (Bl ap C 3)
|
Llywelyn d. 1240
(1) Joan d. King John m. 1205
(a) Tangwystl f. Llywarch Goch (LL. Ho. 1)
|
Gwladus Ddu d. 1251
(1) Reginald de Braose d. 1228
(2) Ralph II Mortimer d. 1246

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LLEWELYN Gwladys "Ddu" Verch
 
270 1871 census for Tupton
3 Rose Terrace -Joseph Harris Head-----Mar-----46----CoalMiner-----Salap. Abby Forest
Mary A Harris Wife-----Mar-------35------------------------Ditto. Brosley
Mary J Harris Daur ---------------12------Scholar-------Staffordshire--Mosley Hole
Betsy Harris Daur ----------------8--------Dito ----------Ditto. Willenhall
Robert Harris Son------------------3---------Dito ----------Ditto. Potteries
Richard Harris Son -----------------6 months--------------Derbyshire. Tupton 
LLOYD Mary A
 
271
1881 Census: Is this correct???
PRO Ref: RG11 Piece / Folio 2681 / 14 Page Number 21
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Samuel LLOYD Head W Male 74 Madeley, Shropshire, England Lab In Forge (Iron)
SOURCE: Dwelling New St Census Place Wrockwardine, Shropshire, England
Family History Library Film 1341642
 
LLOYD Samuel
 
272 ***1. "The Mammoth Book of British Kings and Queens" by Mike Ashley, Carroll
& Graf Pub., Inc. New York, 1998 "The Early Welsh Kingdoms Gwynedd".
***2. David Walker, "Medieval Wales," Cambridge University Press, 1990:
***3. Flame-Bearers of Welsh History, "The Sons of Cunedda" by Owen
Rhoscomyl, School Edition, 1905 The Welsh Ed. Pub. Co. Merthry Rydfil, part
one, p. 177 XLIX, THE RISE OF LLYWELYN III, Llywelyn's son that reigned
after him was no Llywelyn. His grandson was, however, in action as well as
in name.
We need not trouble about Llywelyn's son Davydd, who succeeded to the
crown. First and last there have been three Davydds, prince of Gwynedd.
Every one of them brought Calamity to Cymru.
It was by a most strange and wonderful occurrence that this particular
Davydd lived to become the curse of his country. One day, when he was a
baby, his foster mother left him asleep on the bed, and went out of the
chamber, leaving his father's gallant hound, Celart, lying at the foot of
the bed, as a guard while she was gone.
Presently in came a great grey wolf to devour the baby. Up sprang Celart.
With bristles up, fangs bare, and eyes on fire, he flew upon the terrible
beast. On the bed, on the floor, over and over and under they rolled and
fought, locked in the death-struggle. They baby Davydd, tangled in the
bedclothes, was pushed off the bed to the floor, but still the grim battle
went on.
p 178 It was under the bed it ended at last, and from there Celart
crawled, his jaws red with blood, leaving the wolf dead behind him. Then he
lay down again, beside the tangled heap of bedclothes under which the baby
was hidden, guarding his charge still till some one should come.
It was Llywelyn who came. He looked upon the bed for his little son and
saw that he was gone. He looked in fierce fear round the room and saw no
sign of Davydd. He looked upon the faithful hound and saw his jaws all red
with blood. At once his fear believed that Celart had eaton the baby, and
with that thought he flashed out his sword and ran it through the brave and
loyal creature...Poor Celart's dying howl rang through the chamber till it
waked the little one beneath the heap of clothes, and its cry of fright came
to its fathers ears. hastily he stooped and found it, and as he stooped he
saw, too, the body of the dead wolf. Then he understood what had happened,
and turned in swift grief to Celart. But it was too late; Celart was dying.
Llywelyn buried poor Celart with many a sign of grief for what he had
done. The grave is yonder yet in the place that is called Beddgelart after
it. No one knows the grave of Davydd, neither is any placed called after his
name. But the bards as well as the princes remember Celart, and in an old
manuscript of 1591 there is still to be seen an englyn, or verse, about him.
Alas that so true and brave a creature should have died for saving so
worthless a prince.
Davydd reigned six years only, but in those six years he brought to the
ground the strong Cymru which his great father had built up, dying and
leaving it desolate beneath the heel of Henry III. Let be his epitaph.
But Davydd was not the only son of Llywelyn. There had been another,
Gruffydd, a handsome giant of a prince, born of a Cymric Mother. Llywelyn
had weighed his two sons in his mind as to which would be the better ruler
for the land. Davydd's mother was sister of the King of England - surely the
King of England would be less the enemy of his nephew than of Gruffydd. So
thought Llywelyn, and accordingly he made Davydd his heir; the one tragic
mistake which undid all that he had accomplished in his own strenuous life.
Gruffydd, with his turbulent valour, could not have brought his country
lower than his brother's smoothness brought it. He might have saved it.
Davydd had handed over his brother Gruffydd to the King of England as a
prisoner. The king sent him to the Tower of London. One night Gruffydd made
a rope of his clothes and began to let himself down out of his window to
escape. The rope broke, and Gruffydd was killed, his neck being broken by
the fall. But he left four sons, Owen, Llywelyn, Davydd and Rhodri.
Owen and Llywelyn seized the crown of Gwynedd between them when their
uncle Davydd died. Now King Henry claimed all the land as his own, for,
amongst the rest of Davydd's doings, he had agreed that, if he died
childless, Henry should be his heir and take the country. It would be hard
to find words severe enough to describe such a transaction as that.
***5. The History of the Gwydir Family" written by Sir John Wynne, Knt. and
Bart, ut creditur & Patet. Oswestry, 1878, Prince David began his reign in
1240 d =
d= d. = Prince David, &c =
|
Ellis ap Jer = Agnes
Werth ap
Owen Bro.
Gyntyn.

> he is father of :
> 1.Agnes ferch Dafydd
***The History of the Gwydir Family" written by Sir John Wynne, Knt. and
Bart, ut creditur & Patet. Oswestry, 1878, d. = Prince David, &c =
|
Ellis ap Jer = Agnes
Werth ap
Owen Bro.
Gyntyn.

> married Elise ap Iorwerth ab Owain Brogyntyn
***"Pedigrees of Anglesey and Carnarvonshire Families" by John Edwards
Griffith, 1914 ed., p. 376 Goronwy Llwyd ap Y Penwyn, of Bettws living 1356
= Leuki d. and h's of Madog ap Elisse ap Iorwerth ap Owen Brogyntyn.

> parents of Madog ab Elise
***"Pedigrees of Anglesey and Carnarvonshire Families" by John Edwards
Griffith, 1914 ed., p. 217 Griffith = Eva d. and co-h's of Madog ap Ellis,
of Cryniarth, in Edernion
p. 376 Goronwy Llwyd ap Y Penwyn, of Bettws living 1356 = Leuki d. and h's
of Madog ap Elisse ap Iorwerth ap Owen Brogyntyn.

> married (?) NN
> parents of Efa ferch Madog
***"Pedigrees of Anglesey and Carnarvonshire Families" by John Edwards
Griffith, 1914 ed., p. 217 Griffith = Eva d. and co-h's of Madog ap Ellis,
of Cryniarth, in Edernion
p. 279 Gruffydd ob 1399 - Eva d. and h's of Madog ap Ellis sister to
Llewelyn, Bishop of St. Asaph 1357 - 1375.

> married Gruffudd ap Llewelyn ap Cynwrig
***"Pedigrees of Anglesey and Carnarvonshire Families" by John Edwards
Griffith, 1914 ed., p. 217 Griffith = Eva d. and co-h's of Madog ap Ellis,
of Cryniarth, in Edernion
p. 279 Gruffydd ob 1399 - Eva d. and h's of Madog ap Ellis sister to
Llewelyn, Bishop of St. Asaph 1357 - 1375
p. 282 1st Robert ap Robin ap Gruffydd Goch, Lord of Rhos = Lowry, sold h's
= 2nd Gruffydd ap Einion, of Gwyddelwern, ap Gruffydd ap Llewelyn ap Cynwrig
ap Osborn Wyddel p. 279.

> parents of Einion ap Gruffudd
***Welsh Founder of Penn. P. 98, by Allen Glenn Vol. I, 1911. Son of Thomas
ap John Wynne, of Bron Vadog, in the parish of Ysceifiog, Flintshire.
***"Pedigrees of Anglesey and Carnarvonshire Families" by John Edwards
Griffith, 1914 ed., p. 217 Einion, living Oct 15, 1380 = Tanglwst, d. of
Rhydderch ap Evan Lloyd of Gogerddan, co. Cardigan
p. 234 Morris, of Clenenney, bestowed upon him by Rhys ap Dicws Foel, his
foster-father, living 1511 = Catherine, d. of Eliza ap Gruffydd ap Einion,
of Gwyddelwern. [in some books Angharad]
p. 279 Einion, H.S.M. 1351-59 = Tanglwst, d. of Rhydderch ap Evan Llwyd ap
Evan ap Gruffydd Foel ap Gruffydd ap Cadivor ap Gwaithfoed.
p. 282 1st Robert ap Robin ap Gruffydd Goch, Lord of Rhos = Lowry, sold h's
= 2nd Gruffydd ap Einion, of Gwyddelwern, ap Gruffydd ap Llewelyn ap Cynwrig
ap Osborn Wyddel p. 279.

> married Tangwystl ferch
Rhydderch ap Ieuan Llwyd
>
> 2.Llywelyn ap Dafydd
***Pedigrees of Anglesey and Carnarvonshire Families" by John Edwards
Griffith, 1914 ed.,
p. 169, Dafydd Goch, of Penllech, living 1324 = Mawd, d. of Llewelyn ap
Dafydd Llwyd ap Llewelyn, from Iorwerth Drwyndwn. p. 230,
p. 272 Dafydd Goch, of Penllech Abbot of Barsey living 1324 = Mawd, d. of
Llewelyn ap Dafydd Lloyd ap Llewelyn ap Dafydd ap Llewelyn ap Iorwerth
Drwyndwn p. 169

> married (?) NN
> parents of Cynwrig ap Llywelyn
> married Angharad ferch Thomas ap Gwion
> parents of Dafydd Llwyd ap Cynwrig
***Plas Mawr, Conway, N. Wales" by Arthur Baker and Herbert Baker - 1888 pg.
30 & 31 shows a pedigree of Robert Wynne.
> married Annes ferch Gwyn ap Madog
> parents of Mawd ferch Dafydd Llwyd
***"Pedigrees of Anglesey and Carnarvonshire Families" by John Edwards
Griffith, 1914 ed., p. 168 Dafydd Goch = Maud d. of Dafydd Lloyd ap
Llewelyn, from Iorwerth Drwyn dwn.
p. 169 Dafydd Goch, of Penllech, living 1324 = Mawd, d. of Llewelyn ap
Dafydd Llwyd ap Llewelyn, from Iorwerth Drwyndwn. p. 230
p. 272 Dafydd Goch, of Penllech Abbot of Barsey living 1324 = Mawd, d. of
Llewelyn ap Dafydd Lloyd ap Llewelyn ap Dafydd ap Llewelyn ap Iorwerth
Drwyndwn p. 169.

> married Dafydd Goch ap
Trahearn Goch ap Madog
***"Pedigrees of Anglesey and Carnarvonshire Families" by John Edwards
Griffith, 1914 ed., p. 168 Dafydd Goch = Maud d. of Dafydd Lloyd ap
Llewelyn, from Iorwerth Drwyn dwn.
p. 169, Dafydd Goch, of Penllech, living 1324 = Mawd, d. of Llewelyn ap
Dafydd Llwyd ap Llewelyn, from Iorwerth Drwyndwn. p. 230,
p. 272 Dafydd Goch, of Penllech Abbot of Barsey living 1324 = Mawd, d. of
Llewelyn ap Dafydd Lloyd ap Llewelyn ap Dafydd ap Llewelyn ap Iorwerth
Drwyndwn p. 169
p. 280 Meredydd, of Cefn y fan, living 26 Edward III = Morfydd, d. of Evan
ap Dafydd ap Trahaiarn Goch, ob. 1416.
p. 396, Dafydd Goch, of Penllech, Abbot of Barsey, Living Nov. 9, 1324. p.
272.
***Peerage and Baronetage, Wynn p. 2373, Meredith ap Howel, who was living
26th Edward III. He m. Morvydd dau of Ievan ap David ap Traheyarn Goch. of
the Royal line of South Wales, and was s. by his eldest son Robert ap
Meredith.
***The History of the Gwydir Family" written by Sir John Wynne, Knt. and
Bart, ut creditur & Patet. Oswestry, 1878, p. 30 Of Jevan ap Eingan his
brother are descended very many gentlemen of principall account in the
county of Carnarvon. Howell3 begate Meredith and David; Meredith ap Howell4
dwelled in Evioneth at his houses Keffin y fan, and Keselgiffarch, and David
ap Howell in Llanrwst in Denbigh land, at his house called Henblas in
Maethebroyd. Meredith ap Howell maried Morvydd the daughter of Jevan ap
David ap Trahayarn goch of Llun, who was descended of the house of Rys ap
Teudwr. In the extent of North Wales, made in the 26th of Edward the third,
you shall find that Meredith ap Howell5 and others are the heires of Gwely,
Griff' David ap Howell his brother maried 6 viz. Jevan ap Howell ap
Meredith, the daughter of Gwenllian,
p. 31 and Jevan ap Griff' ap Madog ap Jerweth was wife to 1 Reginall ap
Bleddyn, and had by her issue Robin Vaughan ap David ap Howell, who maried
Angharad the daughter of Rys ap Gruff' ap Rys ap Ednyfed Vaughan, and had
no issue male,2 but one daughter called Cattrin vch Robin Vaughan, who
married Rhys ap Eingan Vaughan of Llanrwst, a gentleman of the house of
Penwyn in Nanconwy and Denbigh Land; 3 who having noe issue male by her, but
daughteres, the greatest part of the possessions of that house, which were
now worth a thousand markes a yeare, came to the Salisburies. For Robert
Salisbury the elder, fourth sonne of Tho. Salisbury of Lleweny, in the
county of Denbigh, Esq. maried Gwenhwyfar, the daughter of Rys ap Eingan and
Catherin the daughter of Robin Vaughan ap David ap Howell.

Hope it helps.

Becky T.
ttg-inc@attbi.com 
LLYWELYN Dafydd Ap
 
273 Hubert Walter, Archbishop of Canterbury, died 13 July 1205, which provides a definite terminus. The styling of Llywelyn Fawr as Prince of North Wales [princeps Norwalliae] could mean as early as 1194, when he removed his uncle Dafydd from power, or as late as after 1200 when he obtained control of the remainder of Gwynedd from his cousin Gruffydd. Perhaps if we can find more detail as to the career of Robert, bishop of Bangor and abbot of Bildewas, co. Salop & c., this time frame could be better defined.

It is interesting to note that the issue has to do with the husband of 'M' [Margaret, mother of Llywelyn] and the issue of his relations with one 'Guladus' or Gwladys, a kinswoman of 'M'. While an Anglo-Welsh heritage is not ruled out for either woman, on the surface it would reinforce the indentification of Margaret with Margaret ferch Madog, daughter of Madog ap Maredudd of Powys (d. ca. 1160).

John
Therav3@aol.com 
MADOG Margred Verch
 
274 At least one living individual is linked to this note - Details withheld. Living
 
275 If it wasn't obvious from the excerpt, the Countess von Platen that was responsible for killing Philipp KÖNIGSMARK was the woman born Clara Elisabeth von Meysenbug, wife of Franz Ernst von Platten Hallermund and lover of King George I's father, Ernst Augustus, Elector of Hannover. MEYSENBUG Klara Elisabeth Von
 
276 At least one living individual is linked to this note - Details withheld. Living
 
277 1881 Census:
Source Information: Dwelling 5 Main Street Census Place Mapperley, Derby, England
Family History Library Film 1341816 PRO Ref RG11 Piece / Folio 3410 / 29 Page Number 7

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
George MOON Head M Male 56 Stanley, Derby, England Druggist & Grocer
Eliza E. MOON Wife M Female 51 Little Hallam, Derby, England
Arthur H. MOON Son U Male 18 Mapperley, Derby, England School Master  
MOON George
 
278 Burial at Kirk Hallam Feb 28 1838 aged 27 years of Mapperley. MOON Hannah
 
279 Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Isaac MOON Head M Male 46 Mapperley, Derby, England Shoemaker
Mary MOON Wife M Female 45 Cotmanhay, Derby, England
John MOON Son U Male 25 Mapperley, Derby, England Coal Miner


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Source Information:
Dwelling 2 Main Street
Census Place Mapperley, Derby, England
Family History Library Film 1341816
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3410 / 28
Page Number 6  
MOON Isaac
 
280 SOURCE: [Hallam - Ina Tuft.ged]

IGI 1988 "James Moon, mother ? Moon 25 Oct 1753, The Tabernacle Hillgaate
Independent, Stockport, Cheshire, Eng. B: 7 Feb 1979 PROVO, E:6 Apr 1 979 PROVO Uncleared."

Derbyshire Family History Society, Newsletter June 1994, p.40
One of the traditions in Castleton, (Derbyshire, England) was Garla nd Day... The local band played the Garland tune which is very simila r to the Cornish Floral Dance. In fact it is said it originated fro m there as in the 1700's tin-miners from Cornwall moved to Derbyshire to work in leadmines."
(T. A. Hunt said that he understood that the Moons had originally come from Wales. They were small and very dark, and resemble the Welch people who lived in the hills on the west side of Wales."

!IGI 1994: Hannah Moon, chr. 6 Jul 1755, mother Elizabeth Moon, at Crich.
C049782 1041624. She would be 4 years younger than James . There are also a Jos and Thos having children in Wirksworth the same time as James had children, 1771 &* 1772. 2 DO Check on Wirksworth 7331710 source 934270

!NOTE: Smalley Par. Reg.: "Marriage of Thomas Moon, Horsley, to Elizabeth Oldknow of Smalley, present James Eley & John Oldknow. 27 Fe b 1781." (Thomas would be born at least by 1755.)

!NOTE: Temple work done 5 Sep 1936 at Manti, Film 170418, p.873. Perhaps Albertina Hunt. Also 1932, film 183545, p. 211

!NOTE: There is one entry where the parents Joseph and Ann have a son Geeorge Moon. But it is the only one that could be interpreted as a "Moon". All the others are definitely Noon.

!NOTE: When John Moon married Frances Stevens, he was of Mapperley, and she was of Smalley. Do not know where they lived after their marriage or when they moved to Breach Cottage.
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MOON James
 
281 1881 Census - POSSIBILITY??
Dwelling The Common Cottage
Census Place West Hallam, Derby, England
Family History Library Film 1341811
PRO Ref: RG11 Piece / Folio 3392 / 89 Page No 9

Name Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation
John MOON M Male 51 West Hallam, Derby, England Coal Miner
Amelia MOON M Female 43 West Hallam, Derby, England Dressmaker
George MOON U Male 23 West Hallam, Derby, England Bricklayer
Thomas MOON Male 15 West Hallam, Derby, England Coal Miner
Julia H. MOON Female 12 West Hallam, Derby, England Scholar
Elizabeth MOON Female 9 West Hallam, Derby, England Scholar
Minnie BLOODWORTH Female 7 Bedford, Bedford, England Scholar  
MOON John
 
282 Witness to Hannah Moons Marriage to Thomas Hallam in 1832. MOON Maria
 
283 Kirk Hallam Parish Registers 1813 to 1901:
April 23 1820 Thomas son of Thomas & Mary Moon Mapperley Blacksmith Thos Williamson - Vicar 
MOON Thomas
 
284 On his son Thomas register, he was stated to be a blacksmith
April 23 1820 Thomas son of Thomas & Mary Moon Mapperley Blacksmith Thos Williamson - Vicar 
MOON Thomas
 
285 PKirk Hallam Parish Register 1813 to 1901:
March 8, 1818 Thomas The base born son of Sarah Moon Mapperley Servant 
MOON Thomas
 
286 1841 Census at Mapperley
William Moon 37, Shoe Maker Derbyshire
Martha 37, Do
George 15
William 14
John 11
Rebecca 9
Isaac 6 
MOON William
 
287 Louis Francis Albert Victor Nicholas Mountbatten was one of Britain's great war heroes. A great-grandson of Queen Victoria, he entered the Royal Navy in 1913. (At that time his father, Prince Louis of Battenberg--later 1st marquess of Milford-Haven;1854-1921--was first sea lord; after the outbreak of World War I, however, he was forced to resign because of his German birth, and he later changed the family name to Mountbatten.) While chief of British combined operations (1942-43) in World War II, Mountbatten directed the invasion of Madagascar and commando raids on Norway and France. As supreme Allied commander for Southeast Asia (1943-46), he was responsiblefor the recapture of Burma from Japan. The last viceroy of India, hesupervised the creation of the states of India and Pakistan in 1947. He was created Lord Mountbatten of Burma that same year. Subsequently, he was first sea lord (1955-59). Mountbatten retired in 1965, although he remained a confidant of Queen Elizabeth II, whose husband, Prince Philip, was his nephew. He died when a bomb demolished his fishing boat in waters off the northwest coast of Ireland. A member of the Provisional wing of the Irish Republican Army was convicted of the murder.

In spite of his many achievements, the greatest legacy of Lord Mountbatten is negative. He should have settled the Kashmir issue prior to the withdrawal of the British from India. Because of leaving the Kashmir issue unresolved, three majors have been fought, millions have died, and there are constant threats of a new war, this one nuclear, between India and Pakistan. 
MOUNTBATTEN Louis Of Burma
 
288 [Hollingg.ged]

From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996. 
MULHOLLAND Elezebeth Grace(Bessie)
 
289 [Hollingg.ged]

From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996. 
MULHOLLAND Elezebeth Grace(Bessie)
 
290 Napoleon III
(Charles-Louis-Napoleon).

Originally known as Louis-Napoleon-Bonaparte, Emperor of the French; b. at Paris, 20 April, 1808; d. at Chiselhurst, England, 6 January, 1873; third son of Louis Bonaparte, King of Holland and Hortense de Beauharnais, daughter of the Empress Josephine.

After the fall of the First Empire, Hortense, who had been separated from her husband, took her two sons to Geneva, Aix in Savoy, Augsburg, and then (1824) to the castle of Arenenberg in Switzerland. Louis Napoleon had for tutor the scholar Le Bas, son of a member of the Convention. 
NAPOLEON Louis, III Bonaparte
 
291 Source from Hills/Hatcher Family Tree on World Connect NAVARRE Jeanne D'Albret Queen Of
 
292 Possible???
1901 Census extract: Refe: 3145 71 Basford

Samuel Naylor Male 31 1870 Coal Miner Stallman Hewer Under Ground Derbysh Derby
Elizabeth Naylor Female 27 1874 Staffs Great Bridge
Winifred Naylor Female 8M 1900 Notts Kimberley

Poss Marriage:
Dec Qtr 1896 Samuel Naylor 7b 328
Elizabeth Hanstock OR Hemstock 7b 328 
NAYLOR Samuel
 
293 Free BMD Site Search:

Births Dec 1899 Naylor Winifred Basford 7b 142

Births Sep 1900 Naylor Winifred May Basford 7b 159



Lived:
Ragdale Road, Bulwell, Nottm.
Highbury Road, Bulwell, Nottm.

Found a note from when we buried Bill at Bulwell Cemetry.
Winifred lane ( Deed Holder) Died 2 March 1981,
William Louis Lane (51 years) (must mean LEWIS?)
Martha Ann Lane.
M21.50 (is this the plot?)

1901 Census Extract - ONLY WINIFRED NAYLOR in Notts
PageID PersonID Civil Parish Admin County Cty Full Name Surname Forename Gender Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born Piece Folio District Sort

689161 16594318 Kimberley Notts NTT Samuel Naylor Naylor Samuel Male 31 1870 Coal Miner Stallman Hewer Under Ground Derbysh Derby 3145 71 Basford 3145-0071-0016594318
689161 16594319 Kimberley Notts NTT Elizabeth Naylor Naylor Elizabeth Female 27 1874 Staffs Great Bridge 3145 71 Basford 3145-0071-0016594319
689161 16594320 Kimberley Notts NTT Winifred Naylor Naylor Winifred Female 8M 1900 Notts Kimberley 3145 71 Basford 3145-0071-0016594320 
NAYLOR Winifred
 
294 [Hollingg.ged]

From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996. 
NEEL Miss
 
295 [Hollingg.ged]

From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996. 
NEEL Miss
 
296 Referred to as "The Kingmaker", Richard Neville attempted to wield power through the weaknesses of both Yorkists and Lancastrians kings. He and his father (earl of Salisbury) partnered with the duke of York in his attempt to claim the crown. After helping Edward IV to gain the crown, he turned against Edward and joined forces with his brother George, duke of Clarence in 1469. When that gambit failed he switched sides and allied with Margaret of Anjou to put Henry VI back on the throne. Richard was killed at the battle of Barnet by the forces of Edward IV.

http://www.warsoftheroses.com/

born Nov. 22, 1428
died April 14, 1471 , Barnet, Hertfordshire, Eng.

byname The Kingmaker English nobleman called, since the 16th century, “the Kingmaker,” in reference to his role as arbiter of royal power during the first half of the Wars of the Roses (1455–85) between the houses of Lancaster and York. He obtained the crown for the Yorkist king Edward IV in 1461 and later restored to power (1470–71) the deposed Lancastrian monarch Henry VI.

http://www.britannica.com/eb/article?eu=78171&tocid=0 
NEVILLE Richard "The King Maker"
 
297 [Hollingg.ged]

From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996. 
NEWELL Rebecca
 
298 [Hollingg.ged]

From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996. 
NEWELL Rebecca
 
299 At his sons marriage in August 1914, he was stated as an architect. NICKLIN James Horsley
 
300 At his marriage, stated he was a joiner. Father an Architect. NICKLIN John Howard
 

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