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LLEWELYN Elen (Helen) Verch
Female Abt 1206 - Bef 1253


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  • Birth  Abt 1206  Of Caernarvonshire, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Gender  Female 
    Died  Bef 24 Oct 1253  Of, Chester, Cheshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Notes 
    • You have asked the $64,000 question. You have the two Helens wrong. The Helen
      that married [1] John le Scot and m[2] Robert de Quincey was the daughter of
      Joan. The other Helen is not a proven daughter of Llywelyn at all.

      You have assigned Gwladys to Joan instead of Tangwystl -- and I think that is
      fair. It is 50/50 at best that you are right -- and with Joan's lands going
      to Gwladys family and Gwladys dying at Windsor -- and the Mortimer genealogy
      going through Joan to William the Conqueror in a 14th century manuscript
      tradition, I would say the weight of the slim facts favor Joan over the Welsh
      mistress. Since you have to enter a mother, I would keep it that way. I will
      change my personal database from Tangwystl to Joan on the basis of this
      discussion.

      From: KHF333@aol.com

      Llywelyn ap Iowerth, Prince of North Wales, and his lawful wife, Joan, had several legitimate children, among them being Ellen, wife successively of John of Scotland, Earl of Chester and Huntingdon, and Robert de Quincy, Knt. Ellen's place as a legitimate daughter of Joan is proven by an entry in Calendar of Close Rolls, 1234-1237 (1908), pp. 538-539, where Countess Ellen is styled "our niece" [nepte nostra] by Henry III, King of England.

      Recently, however, I encountered further evidence which supports blood kinship between Countess Ellen and the English royal family. Ellen had two surviving daughters by her marriage to Robert de Quincy, one being Hawise de Quincy, wife of Baldwin Wake. The record below states specifically that Hawise de Quincy was of the "consanguinity" (bloodline) of King Edward I:

      "Date: 18 Feb. 1282

      Order [by King Edward I] to the sheriff of Lincoln to levy £100 from the goods late of Baldwin Wak, deceased, by view of Aubrey de Wintelbiry, and deliver the same to Hawise, late his wife, for the expenses of his burial, and to levy also £40 therefrom by view of the same Aubrey and deliver them to her by reason of her consanguinity."

      [Calendar of Fine Rolls, 1 (1911): 159].

      Hawise de Quincy, wife of Baldwin Wake, and King Edward I were first cousins first removed, they both being descendants of King John.

      Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

      E-mail: royalancestry@msn.com
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    Person ID  I3859  Royal Family of Europe
    Last Modified  23 Dec 2002 

    Father  IORWERTH Llewelyn Ap, Llewelyn the Great,   b. 1173, Aberffraw Castle, Caernarvonshire, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 11 Apr 1240, Aberconwy, Arllechwedd Isaf, Caernarvonshire, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Mother  ENGLAND Joan Princess Of,   b. 1188, Of, London, Middlesex, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 3 Apr 1236, Aberconwy, Arllechwedd Isaf, Caernarvonshire, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Married  1205  England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Family ID  F654  Group Sheet

    Family 1  QUINCY Robert De,   b. Abt 1186/1188, Of, Winchester, (buckley), Hampshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Aug 1257, Spm, London, Middlesex, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Children 
     1. QUINCY Anne De,   b. Abt 1238, Of, Blisworth, Northamptonshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location
     2. QUINCY Joane,   b. Abt 1240, Of, Blisworth, Northamptonshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location
    >3. QUINCY Hawise De,   b. Abt 1242, Of, Blisworth, Northampshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 1285
    Family ID  F1038  Group Sheet

    Family 2  MAR Donald Earl Of,   b. Abt 1243, Of, Kildrummy, Aberdeenshire, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Aft 25 Jul 1297 
    Married  Abt 1269  Of, Kildrummy, Aberdeenshire, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Children 
     1. MAR Marjory (Margaret) Of,   b. Abt 1270, Of, Mar, Aberdeenshire, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Bef 24 Jul 1326
     2. MAR Gratney (Gartnet) Earl Of,   b. Abt 1272, Of Kildrummy Castle, Kildrummy, Aberdeenshire, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Sep 1305
     3. MAR Duncan Of,   b. Abt 1274, Of Kildrummy Castle, Kildrummy, Aberdeenshire, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location
     4. MAR Alexander Of,   b. Abt 1276, Of Kildrummy Castle, Kildrummy, Aberdeenshire, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location
    >5. MAR Isabell (Matilda) Of,   b. Abt 1278, Of Kildrummy Castle, Kildrummy, Aberdeenshire, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Abt 1320
     6. MAR Mary Of,   b. Abt 1280, Of Kildrummy Castle, Kildrummy, Aberdeenshire, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location
    Family ID  F927  Group Sheet



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