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ENGLAND Edward IV King Of 1442 - 1483

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• Birth	28 Apr 1442	Rouen, Seine-Maritime, France
  Christened	Cathedrale, Rouen, Seine-Maritime, France
  Gender	Male
  Died	9 Apr 1483	Palace, Westminster, Middlesex, England
  Buried	18 Apr 1483	St. George's Chapel, Windsor, Berkshire, England
  Notes	From: royalancestry@msn.com (Douglas Richardson) A few days ago, I posted a list of the known illegitimate children of Edward IV, King of England (died 1483). Since posting, I've been contacted by two newsgroup members each of whom has added a new potential illegitimate child of King Edward IV. On my own, I've found additional sources for two of the previously identified illegitimate children. I've also found a reference to yet another alleged illegitimate daughter in a late visitation who reputedly married into the Musgrave family. I haven't included that child in the list below, as I haven't yet confirmed that such a child and marriage occurred. If anyone has anything to add to the information below or possesses any information on a possible illegitimate daughter who married a Musgrave, please post that information here on the newsgroup or contact me at my e-mail address below. Many thanks to Peter Sutton and James Trabue for sharing their information with me. Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah E-mail: royalancestry@msn.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - List of Illegitimate Children of King Edward IV Illegitimate child of Edward IV of England, by an unknown mistress, possibly Elizabeth Lucy: i. ELIZABETH PLANTAGENET, married before 1477 THOMAS LUMLEY, Knt., son and heir apparent of George Lumley, Knt., Lord Lumley, by Elizabeth, daughter and heiress of Roger Thornton, Esq. They had four sons, Richard [Lord Lumley], John, George, and Roger, Esq., and three daughters, Anne (wife of Robert Ogle, 4th Lord Ogle), Sibyl (wife of William Hilton, Knt., de jure 9th Lord Hylton), and Elizabeth (wife of Robert Cresswell, Esq.). SIR THOMAS LUMLEY was living 27 Oct. 1495, and died prior to 1507. Descendants (not traced). [Note: Additional evidence of Elizabeth's parentage may be seen in the papal dispensation granted in 1489 for Elizabeth's son, Richard Lumley, to marry Anne Conyers, they being related in the [3rd and] 4th degree of kindred. A dispensation was needed for this marriage, as the two parties were both descended from Ralph Neville, K.G., 1st Earl of Westmorland, and his wife, Joan Beaufort (see Testamenta Eboracensia 3 (Surtees Soc., vol. 45) (1865): 355)]. Collins-Brydges, Peerage of England 3 (1812): 703 (citing MS. E. 6, f. 5, b. in Offic. Arm.). R. Surtees, Hist. & Antiq. of the County Palatine of Durham 2 (1820): 139 (Lumley monument in Chester-le-Street, co. Durham church: " ... inde pater efficitur illius Thomae qui ex magni Regis Edovardi quarti filia naturali, Richardum susceperat ..."), 140 (monumental inscription at Chester-le-Street: "Sir Thomas Lumley, Knight, sonne of George Lord Lumley, maried Elizabeth, daughter naturel to Kinge Edwarde the fourth, and he died in the life of his father, and had issue Richard Lord Lumley") (Elizabeth's arms: 1. France and England; 2. a plain cross of Ulster; 3. as 2; 4. barry of six, on a chief three pallets, between two esquires' bastions, dexter and sinister, an inescutcheon Argent, Mortimer, over all a bar sinister), 162-164 (Lumley chart). Surtees Soc. 41 (1862): 27 (1530 Vis. Durham) (Lumley pedigree: "Thomas Lumley, son and heyre to George, maried Elisabeth, bastard doughter to Kyng Edward the iiijth"). R. Surtees, Hist. & Antiq. of the County Palatine of Durham 2 (1820): 163-164. H.S.P. 16 (1881): 189-190 (1563/4 Vis. Yorkshire) (Lumley pedigree: "Thomas Lord Lomley son & heyr to George = Elsabeth bastard doughter to Kyng Edward the Fourth"). J. Foster, Pedigrees Recorded at the Visitations of the County Palatine of Durham (1887), pg. 216 (Lumley pedigree: "Thomas Lumley, son and heire = Elizabeth, bastard dau. of Edward IV"). C.P. 7 (1929): 30 (sub Hylton); 8 (1932): 274 (sub Lumley); 10 (1945): 33-34. TAG 50 (1974): 81-86. M.S. Byrne, The Lisle Letters (1981) [citing Harleian MS. 4033, f. 21 (23) v; Leland's Itinerary VI, f. 63]. Chris Given-Wilson & A. Curteis, Royal Bastards of Medieval England (1984), pp. 160-161,179. Illegitimate child of Edward IV of England, by a mistress, Elizabeth Wayte: i. ARTHUR PLANTAGENET (otherwise ARTHUR WAYTE), K.G., King’s Spear, Esquire of the Body, Sheriff of Hampshire, Vice-Admiral of England, Trier of Petitions in Parliament, Governor of Calais, Warden of the Cinque Ports, Privy Councillor, born say 1475 (presumed to be “my Lord the Bastard” mentioned in an Exchequer account dated 1477, first occurs as an adult in 1501). He married (1st) 12 Nov. 1511 ELIZABETH GREY, suo jure Baroness Lisle, widow of Edmund Dudley, Esq. (beheaded 18 Aug. 1510), and daughter and heiress of Edward Grey, Knt., Viscount Lisle, by his 1st wife, Elizabeth, daughter of John Talbot, Knt., Viscount Lisle. They had three daughters, Frances (wife of John Basset and Thomas Monke), Elizabeth (wife of Francis Jobson, Knt), and Bridget (wife of William Carden, Knt.). In 1514 he was captain of the Vice-Admiral's ship "Trinity Sovereign." He attended the King at the Field of Cloth of Gold in 1520. In consequence of his marriage, he was created 25 Apr. 1523 Viscount Lisle. In 1528 he purchased the manors of Segenworth, Chark, Lee, Sutton, West Stratton, etc., Hampshire from his cousin, John Wayte, Esq., of Titchfield. Arthur married (2nd) in 1529 Honor Grenville, widow of John Basset, Knt. (died 31 Jan. 1522/9), and daughter of Thomas Grenville, Knt., by his 1st wife, Isabel, daughter of Otes Gilbert, Knt. They had no issue. He was imprisoned in the Tower of London on suspicion of treason 19 May 1540. SIR ARTHUR PLANTAGENET, Viscount Lisle, died there 3 Mar. 1541/2. His widow, Honor, was buried at Logan, Cornwall 30 Apr. 1566. Modern descendants (not traced). J. Burke, General & Heraldic Dictionary of the Peerages ... Extinct, Dormant, and in Abeyance (1831), pp. 433,513-514. G.F. Beltz, Memorials of the Most Noble Order of the Garter (1841), pg. clxxii. H.S.P. 2 (1870): 74-75 (1619 Vis. Leicester) (Gray pedigree: "Elizab. [Gray] Nupta Edm. Dudley postea Arthur Plantagenet"); 16 (1881): 308-310 (1563/4 Vis. Yorkshire) (Talbot pedigree: "Elsabeth [Talbot] doughter & sole heyre [1] = Edmond Dudley on of the Prevy Consell to Kyng Henry 7th., [2]= Arthur Plantagenet bastard son to Edward IV. 2 husband"). J.L. Vivian, Visitations of the County of Devon (1895), pp. 46-47,569. D.N.B. 15 (1909): 1285-1287 (biog. of Arthur Plantagenet). List of Early Chan. Proc. 5 (1912): 288,358,465,472.473; 6 (1922): 109,134. C.L. Scofield, Life and Reign of Edward the Fourth 2 (1923): 56,161. C.P. 8 (1932): 63-68 (sub Lisle). Cal. of Ancient Deeds - Series B Pt. 3 (List & Index Soc., vol. 113) (1975): B.10780, B.12180. Ancient Deeds Series BB (List & Index Soc., vol. 137) (1977), pp. 80-81,83,90. M.S. Byrne, The Lisle Letters 2 (1981): 63 (Arthur Plantagenet styled "cousin" by Margaret Pole, Countess of Salisbury); 1 (1981): 481, 4{1981): 140 (instances of Henry Pole, Lord Montagu, styled "cousin" to Arthur Plantagenet). Exchequer Ancient Deeds - DD Series (List & Index Soc., vol. 200) (1983), pp. 193,207. C. Given-Wilson & A. Curteis, Royal Bastards of Medieval England (1984), pp. 158,161-174. Alleged illegitimate children of Edward IV of England, by an unknown mistress (or mistresses), _____: i. GRACE PLANTAGENET, said to be present in 1492 on the funeral barge of Queen Elizabeth Wydeville, widow of King Edward IV. C. Ross, Edward IV (1974), pg. 316, foonote 2 (citing BM Arundel MS. 26, ff. 29v-30v). C. Given-Wilson & A. Curteis, Royal Bastards of Medieval England (1984), pp. 158,161-174. ii. _____ PLANTAGENET (daughter), married (as his 1st wife) JOHN AUDLEY (or TUCHET), younger son of John Audley (or Tuchet), Knt., 6th Lord Audley, Lord Treasurer of England, by Anne, daughter of Thomas Echingham, Knt. They had no issue. Collections for a History of Staffordshire n.s. 12 (1909): 229. MS. pedigree of Audley family dated 1618 on file at the William SaltCollection at the William Salt Library in Stafford, England. (These citations kindly provided by Peter Sutton). iii. MARY PLANTAGENET, married after 1485 (as his 2nd wife) HENRY HARMAN, of Ellam (in Crayford), Kent, Clerk of the Crown to King Henry VII, son of Thomas and Elizabeth Harman. HENRY HARMAN left a will dated 1501, proved 1502 (P.C.C., 15 Blamyr), naming his deceased wife, Agnes, his living wife, Mary, and eleven children, George, William, Thomas, Roger, John, Henry, Robert, Elizabeth (wife of _____ Sparke), Alice, Beatrice, and Anne. The maternity of the children is uncertain, but at least the two youngest sons were by Henry Harman's last wife, Mary, as indicated by Henry's will. Misc. Gen. et Her. 4th ser. 2 (1908): 227-228 (Harman pedigree) (no identification of wives). H.S.P. 74 (1923): 61-62 (1574 Vis. Kent) (Harman pedigree: "Henry Harman Clarke of ye Crowne vnto H: 7 ... This man [Henry Harman] was H: 7 man to whome he gaue the clarkeship of the Crowne and with all gaue him the Crest belowe*, depick[t]ed one his armes which Crist was giuen him after hee had maried with E: 4 daughter") (The latter citation kindly supplied by James Trabue). Below is a list of the illegitimate children of King Edward IV of England taken from variety of sources. The list includes no new names, but I've commented on additional evidence which appears to prove the parentage of Elizabeth, wife of Thomas Lumley. Gary Boyd Roberts's useful book, RD 500, indicates that there are American descendants of Elizabeth Lumley. There seems to be confusion in surviving records between King Edward IV's mistresses, Dame Elizabeth Lucy and Elizabeth Wayte. I suspect the two women were separate and distinct individuals. King Edward IV is alleged to have had issue by Elizabeth Lucy prior to his marriage to Queen Elizabeth Wydeville in 1464. I presume that issue was King Edward IV's bastard daughter, Elizabeth Lumley, who married in or before 1477. Elizabeth Wayte's son, Arthur, on the other hand, doesn't occur in records as an adult until 1501 and didn't marry until 1511. This suggests a rather wide gap in ages between the two bastards, Elizabeth Lumley and Arthur Plantagenet. My best guess is that Elizabeth Lumley was born say 1460/2 and that Arthur Plantagenet was born say 1475. If anyone has any corrections or additions to the list below, I'd appreciate it if they would post them here on the newsgroup. Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah E-mail: royalancestry@msn.com
  Person ID	I883	Royal Family of Europe
  Last Modified	15 Mar 2003

  
  

  Father	PLANTAGENET Richard,   b. 20 Sep 1411, Of, Conisbrough Castle, Yorkshire, England ,   d. 31 Dec 1460, Wakefield, Yorkshire, England
  Mother	NEVILLE Cecily,   b. 31 May 1415, Raby, Durham, England ,   d. 31 May 1495, Berkhamsted, Hertfordshire, England
  Married	Bef 18 Oct 1424	, , Yorkshire, England
  Family ID	F61	Group Sheet

  
  

  Family 1	WAYTE Elizabeth
  Married	NOT MARRIED	Not Married
  Family ID	F1571	Group Sheet

  
  

  Family 2	WAYTE Elizabeth
  Married	Not Married
  Children	> 1. PLANTAGENET Elizabeth,   b. Abt 1460, England
  Family ID	F1565	Group Sheet

  
  

  Family 3	WYDEVILLE Elizabeth,   b. Abt 1437, Of, Grafton Regis, Northamptonshire, England ,   d. 7 Jun 1492, Bermondsey Abbey Bermondsey, Surrey, England
  Married	1 May 1464	, Grafton Regis, Northamptonshire, England
  Children	> 1. ENGLAND Elizabeth of York Queen Of,   b. 11 Feb 1465, Westminster Palace, Westminster, Middlesex, England ,   d. 11 Feb 1502/1503, Tower of London, Middlesex, England   2. ENGLAND Mary Princess Of,   b. Aug 1466, Windsor Castle, Windsor, Berkshire, England ,   d. 23 May 1482   3. ENGLAND Cecily Princess Of,   b. 20 Mar 1468/1469, Of, Westminster, Middlesex, England ,   d. 24 Aug 1507, Abbey, Quarr, Isle Of Wight, England   4. ENGLAND Edward V King Of,   b. 4 Nov 1470, Sanctuary, Westminster, Middlesex, England ,   d. Jul 1483, Tower Of London, Middlesex, England   5. ENGLAND Margaret Princess Of,   b. 10 Apr 1472, Of, Westminster, Middlesex, England ,   d. 11 Dec 1472   6. ENGLAND Richard Prince Of,   b. 17 Aug 1473, , Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England ,   d. Abt Jul 1483, Tower Of London, Middlesex, England   7. ENGLAND Anne Princess Of,   b. 2 Nov 1475, , Westminster, Middlesex, England ,   d. Aft 22 Nov 1511, , Framlingham, Suffolk, England   8. ENGLAND George Prince Of,   b. Mar 1476/1477, Windsor Castle, Windsor, Berkshire, England ,   d. Abt 1481   9. ENGLAND Catherine Princess of,   b. Abt 14 Aug 1479, , Eltham, Kent, England ,   d. 15 Nov 1527, Castle, Tiverton, Devonshire, England   10. ENGLAND Bridget Princess Of,   b. 10 Nov 1480, , Eltham, Kent, England ,   d. 1517
  Family ID	F38	Group Sheet

  
  

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